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  Hello all you Newbies!!!!!

  by kls in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i see we are having a run on newbies and just wanted to say and welcome to you all.

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  i don't know all your screen names and don't want to miss any so post and say hi.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  w00t 2 t43 n008z!!!

  Man, the WTS must really be ef'ing something up in recent rags and talks to be pushing out so many R&F.

  What's going on? Is the WTS' token "Internet scare talk" @ assemlies doing it?

  Anyhoo, Welcome!!!
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  Compromise

  by teejay in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  one of the fundamental keys to a successful marriage.

  doing stuff you wouldn't ordinarily do... stuff you don't and wouldn't ever do by nature, but you do it because you're married to this particular person.

  without it a marriage is, at best, an unhappy situation; at worst, a divorce waiting to happen.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  TJ,

  I agree with these two statements:

  For the same reason your wife would not want to participate in a Catholic, Protestant, Islamic or any other type of religious service.

  Else

  think "compromise" requires BOTH participants - and something being given from each other.

  petty

  Rather than compromise, as Franklin stated, Negotiate.

  "Fine, I'll go to the weekly meetings, now what will you sacrifice for me on a weekly basis?"

  "You want me to go to the annual conventions? Fine, then I want you to come to company & family holiday celebrations."

  If you keep on giving, then she will always go to the well expecting for you to "give in" because it has never cost her anything.

  I'm not saying to "make her pay", but make sure that your COMPROMISE has a price tag attached to it in her head.

  "Oh, him sitting through a Convention is as painful as me sitting through a Christmas party for him..."

  Best, Paul
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  NEW: Review of the circuit assembly. Darn!!!

  by Doubtfully Yours in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, not only do i have to greatly sacrifice mentally by going to the darn assemblies 3x yearly, but now they've made it so that you have to pay attention and take notes because there'll be a review with questions and answers at the following meetings.. gosh, the mind control never stops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  comments anyone?!.

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  I had the best clothes there!

  And I got new shoes!

  Brooke

  LOL! Brooke, Winning the "Best Dressed Award" at the Janesville Ass-Hall is about as big an accomplishment as being the best basketball player at a convention for midgets I should know, I won it 5 years running
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  This must be the day for newbies

  by Tigerman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am, also, new to the discussion forum although i've been a reader for some time now.

  i have never been a witness.

  i have close family who have been involved with the society for almost thirty years.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Jumpin' Jeebuz there are alot of new faces here

  What, did Simon have a T-shirt giveaway for new members or sumpin?

  Hi to all you n00bs!!!
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  How to Deal with Shunners Part I. It Is They Who are Afraid

  by jst2laws in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  shunners, they are afraid.

  how to deal with them.

  having been df'd about a year ago for apostasy (the sin of thinking for yourself without disengaging your mouth) i have taken advantage of several opportunities to speak to local jw's.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  Stop hanging around with all those JW's..the bad association will spoil your useful habits, it's aready got you wearing pastel coloured t-shirts.

  Shitgun

  Sorry. You know better than anyone that my shirts have to match my panties
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  How to Deal with Shunners Part I. It Is They Who are Afraid

  by jst2laws in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  shunners, they are afraid.

  how to deal with them.

  having been df'd about a year ago for apostasy (the sin of thinking for yourself without disengaging your mouth) i have taken advantage of several opportunities to speak to local jw's.

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  So in retrospect, I guess my attitude for the times I run into a JW has changed from just a year ago.

  A year ago, I would have been nervous and filled with resentment towards them. I would have even hoped to make them feel uneasy and put them in their place.

  Nowadays, it doesn?t even faze me if I see a JW. Just another person to me, and I treat them as such. If it is someone I know, I will go out of my way to say hi and be friendly to them.

  When the elder called my cell, my initial reaction was not fear when I saw his name on my called ID, but excitement that I was going to have a chance to talk to someone who was my friend at one point and has always been nice to me. He was the elder that married my wife and I after all. And I think that reaching a point of such peace with past events is healthy and must be a sign of healing from my WTS exit/DA?ing.

  Like Rachel said, if you really want revenge, then living well is the best revenge. On top of that, living a lifestyle and acting contrary to how the WTS paints us apostates will make them think on some level. Of course most JW?s will rationalize our behaviour that contradicts the WTS warnings, but why get yourself all worked over a JW?
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  How to Deal with Shunners Part I. It Is They Who are Afraid

  by jst2laws in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  shunners, they are afraid.

  how to deal with them.

  having been df'd about a year ago for apostasy (the sin of thinking for yourself without disengaging your mouth) i have taken advantage of several opportunities to speak to local jw's.

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  Another recent experience was when I went to the Pixies concert a few days ago. It was me, a DF?d friend from my childhood, a Bavman, and a friend from my Martial Arts dojo.

  While at the concert, we ran into some JW?s. These are the ones who were typically considered ?fringe? and ?bad association?, but ones who I knew and were somewhat friendly with when I wasn?t being a self-righteous JW prick.

  After the concert in the lobby we ran into a large group who I and the DF?d person knew pretty well. About 6 people stayed to make brief conversation, but a few others walked right past us and waited on the stairs while we talked to their friends. They were starting to get nervous and used the excuse of going to work early the next day to cut conversation short.

  As my group walked out, we passed them up in the lobby.

  So much for getting to bed early!

  While outside, we ran into more JW?s! These JW?s were pretty cool and ended up inviting us to a bar afterwards, which we took up. Spent the rest of the night talking to them at a nice bar downtown, and ran into MORE JW?s at the bar, one whom is DF?d and a really good friend of mine.

  As I said, most of them are considered ?bad association?, but some of them still found it necessary to shun us. I joked that now even the bad-asses are scared of us!

  Oh, and I was wearing this shirt which probably didn?t help:

  

  My friend from the dojo [never was a JW, and didn?t know I was one] said he never saw so many JW?s in his life!
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  How to Deal with Shunners Part I. It Is They Who are Afraid

  by jst2laws in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  shunners, they are afraid.

  how to deal with them.

  having been df'd about a year ago for apostasy (the sin of thinking for yourself without disengaging your mouth) i have taken advantage of several opportunities to speak to local jw's.

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  Winston Smith :>D

  A couple of recent experiences.

  Wife & I moved last week. We were in a pickle because we needed help moving, but who was going to help us? No one wanted to help us move if myself, a DA?d person, was going to be around. So it started panning out that some ?sisters? would move boxes on a Saturday, and then my friends [not active JW?s] would move the heavy stuff Sunday.

  I asked my wife how JW?s shunning me and not helping us move lined up the Jesus? illustration of the Good Samaritan.

  ?You understand that the Samaritans were apostates of the Jewish faith, right? Yet he was held up as a good example to follow in the Bible.?

  Anyways, I could see where this would end up. I would have to rent a truck for two days, and the sisters wouldn?t be able to move a lot of items because they were heavy. I would be stuck with an understaffed crew on Sunday. Plus I didn?t want to move on Sunday because that left us no time to clean.

  A week before I finally said that I am taking care of the move with all of my non-JW friends and family. She can have her JW girlfriends clean Sunday, and move little stuff on Friday.

  We had six guys moving our stuff and were finished right at noon. One was my now ?marked? JW brother [guess the elders view me as a bad influence] a ?worldly? buddy of his that I am friends with, another inactive JW who brought a truck, a DA?d person from this board and his son, plus a ?worldly? guy that I have become good friends with.

  Her girls did a good job moving little stuff Friday, but fell through on the cleaning part on Sunday. After picking up a washer and running other errands with a friend?s pick-up truck, I went over to the house late afternoon to clean with my poor wife who was stuck by herself cleaning our entire place.

  Among the errands I had to do on Sunday was return an appliance dolly from an elder. He let us borrow it and even called my cell phone on Friday and talked directly to me asking if I needed it. That was pretty cool of him.

  In the end, my wife was very appreciative of all of the help I was able to arrange. And I was very happy for all of her help as well, since she did a lot of the packing and unpacking of boxes.
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  Best Healing... Leave or Stay JWD...

  by Confucious in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my girlfriend is saying to me... .

  just write a letter of disassociation, and join some other chat group and move on.

  she loves you guys, because i often tell her about "what's going on here.

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  Comments???
  

  Your girlfriend, as well intended as she likely is, won?t be able to comprehend the recovery needed when leaving the WTS.

  I like to think of JWD similar as Big Tex mentioned, as a place to heal such as a Halfway House or maybe a hospital.

  In a hospital there are some who are badly injured and need years to recover. Others are less severe cases. Some people are healed and never return. Others may have to stop by periodically for follow-up visits for general therapy.

  At times some previous patients stop by the hospital to do volunteer work. Others are so emotionally moved by their experience that they dedicate their lives to fighting the very disease which they are survivors of and go on to become a doctor, nurse or a therapist.

  Those that stay here at JWD I like to think of as our JWD doctors and nurses. It?s a wonderful gesture to for them to stay here and continue to help the new ones and make the board what it is.

  There is no right answer of if or even when to leave JWD. Each person is different. You are the only person who can make the final decision.

  For me, I like tidy endings, so I DA?d myself and started to build up a social circle outside of JWD. I still pop in to JWD from time to time, but now I am busy with stuff like Aikido, concerts [Pixies kicked my ass Tuesday night!!! Hi Bavman], work, my marriage, and trying to build up a new circle of friends. I?m having allot of fun and am happier than I have ever been in my life.

  My remedy isn?t a panacea for everyone else?s problems. You?ll have to find what is best for you. Sometimes we may have to rest to get better, and other times we may have to engage in physical therapy and go through some pain to get better. Just give it time and keep looking for opportunities to grow.

  Be aware of your Self, and harmonize with your Universe,

  Paul
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  Studying the new "Keep on the Watch!" brochure- Whose Shameless Luxury? p13

  by ozziepost in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  from the new brochure on page 13 comes this gem: the bible also says that babylon the great lives "in shameless luxuary".

  in ancient babylon, the temple organization acquired extensive landholdings, and the priests became prominent in commercial activities.

  today, in addition to places of worship, babylon the great has vast commercial holdings.

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  Easy to see the hypocrisy here?

  The Bible A report also says that Babylon the Great The WatchTower lives "in shameless luxuary". In ancient Babylon, the temple organization acquired extensive landholdings, and the priests became prominent in commercial activities. Today, in addition to places of worship, Babylon the Great The WatchTower has vast commercial holdings. Her teachings and her holidays publications bring great riches both to her and to others in the business world.